Log in

No account? Create an account
Devil Doll [userpic]
Informational Post for Volunteers
by Devil Doll (devildoll)
at February 11th, 2005 (12:18 pm)

current mood: geeky

If you are interested in volunteering, the list of claimed/unclaimed fandoms and subjects can be found here.

First of all, thank you! You are all awesome.

Some guidelines:

  • If you've signed up for a fandom overview, you need to join the community so I can give you posting access. Watching the community isn't enough--you have to join.

  • I posted the skeleton of my Marvel comics overview here as a template. The main goal of these fandom overviews is to collect links to places on LJ that might be of interest to fans, to create a bouncing off point. How much other information you include is up to you. It'd be nice if you tried to keep it updated as you hear about new communities.

  • Please use this format for your overview subject line: Fandom: [Fandom Name]. This is for ease of reference. All overviews will be stored in memories and tagged by me.

  • You have six months to post your overview, which I think is more than enough time to get it done. I will list the date you claimed your fandom in the sign-up post, and once six months has passed with no overview posted, it will be given away to the first person who comes along and claims it.

  • We expect you to update your overview to add new communites/delete dead ones on a fairly regular basis. Please put the date last updated at the bottom of your post, both for your reference and mine. Overviews that have not been updated within a 12 month period will be assumed abandoned and offered up for grabs to the first taker.

  • Please post your overview here in the community rather than linking to it in your own journal. I'm not trying to make it harder for you, honest. I just want the info here in the comm in case you delete your journal (oh, like you haven't thought of flouncing off in a hissyfit at least once *g*).

  • It is up to you whether to include RPG, badfic, and real person communities in your overview. Personal preference of the overviewer reigns.

  • Please feel free to comment in this post with any questions or suggestions you have.


Posted by: Em (galaxynumber5)
Posted at: February 12th, 2005 02:22 pm (UTC)
Stargate Daniel&Vala

Will be okay if I compose a partial list and fill up as I go? Because some things, like fic communities, I need to check seeing as I hang around only 2 and there are more...

Posted by: Devil Doll (devildoll)
Posted at: February 12th, 2005 10:25 pm (UTC)

Will be okay if I compose a partial list and fill up as I go? Because some things, like fic communities, I need to check seeing as I hang around only 2 and there are more...

Absolutely. Ideally, the posts would we continually updated as the maintainers find more things to add.

Posted by: Em (galaxynumber5)
Posted at: February 12th, 2005 10:32 pm (UTC)
Daniel Thinking of you

Excellent, I'll get on it then ^^

Posted by: Emily Charlotte (emcharlotte)
Posted at: February 12th, 2005 09:59 pm (UTC)

Can you add me for posting access, please? Thanks—working on my overview right now.

Posted by: Devil Doll (devildoll)
Posted at: February 12th, 2005 10:23 pm (UTC)

You've been added. Overview away!

Posted by: Emily Charlotte (emcharlotte)
Posted at: February 13th, 2005 12:01 am (UTC)

Thanks a ton! I'll try and post my first draft today or tomorrow. You never know when those newbies will come trickling in!

Posted by: cathexys (cathexys)
Posted at: February 21st, 2005 12:10 am (UTC)

joined the community a while back, tried to post just now, but am apparently not permitted. would you please add me? thanks!

Posted by: Devil Doll (devildoll)
Posted at: February 21st, 2005 12:29 am (UTC)

Whoops, thought I got you added when you first join. Try now, should be okay.

(Deleted comment)
Posted by: Devil Doll (devildoll)
Posted at: February 23rd, 2005 02:45 am (UTC)

It's interesting, in my head, "fandom" and "fanfiction" are more or less directly related, so I didn't put in communities like that - merchandise collection, discussion, squee, whatever. (What DO fans do if they're not writing fic? < /blinders >

Hee! They start huge informational communities, I guess. *g*

Almost all of the newbie guides so far have been fanfiction focused, rather than all-fandom. I, of course, am fine with that, because that's where my interests are, but... Should we be trying to cover every kind of fan, or is this really a fanfiction-focused project?

I was hoping for a fannish focus, not just a fanfiction focus, but I purposely left the guidelines rather broad, because I'd rather have someone do a fic-focused overview than not have one at all.

In my Marvel comics overview, I've included fanart, icon, and discussion communities, and will eventually include actor communities if they're still active (I'm not even halfway through checking all the possible comms to see if they're active etc).

I was going to include RPGs, but there are way too damn many.

(Deleted comment)
Posted by: Devil Doll (devildoll)
Posted at: February 23rd, 2005 02:05 am (UTC)

Roswell's been claimed already, but the list is here if you want to check it and see if there's anything else you are interested in.

I'll also keep your name as a back-up for Roswell, in case the other person can't do it.

(Deleted comment)
Posted by: Devil Doll (devildoll)
Posted at: February 24th, 2005 06:30 pm (UTC)

I'll put you down for Star Wars and then if you haven't decided this is the suckiest job ever, we can talk about Star Trek. *g*

Posted by: Luso Clemens (colichemarde)
Posted at: November 17th, 2006 09:53 pm (UTC)

This isn't really a question. It's more of a suggestion for stuff around the community. :D I had no where else to put it, and I thought you'd read the FAQ frequently. So here goes!

Not to be rude, or anything, but demonstrating the way to use HTML with undesired objects in the middle is a little unprofessional-looking, and I know you're striving for just that. When you say "LJ-cut is <*lj-cut> (just remove the asterisk!)", it's sort of asking for newbie trouble, because they tend to forget (those who don't know HTML would have it even worse XD).

So! I just wanted to recommend this little bit of HTML to you! When trying to show the HTML without activating, simply use &lt; for <, and &gt; for >. :D That way, you can simply say "LJ user is <lj user="colichemarde">"

Yay! :D I hope it helped, and I hope I didn't come off as a bastard for trying to correct your stuff. >_< I mean only to help. (One more thing; don't forget the semicolon! Even though IE can handle the ASCII without the semicolon, other browsers, like Firefox, can't. :3)

Posted by: Devil Doll (devildoll)
Posted at: November 17th, 2006 10:25 pm (UTC)

You aren't the first person to mention that to me, and I hope you'll be more accepting of my explanation than the other two--one got really snotty with me, and the other implied I was too stupid to understand what she was saying. :)

There's a reason I demonstrate it the way I do, and that's so people who do not know HTML have a way to pass the LJ cut code on to other newbies.

As an example of what I mean, I can relate something I saw on my own flist.

One of my LJ friends, who we'll call Person A, posted and asked how to make an LJ cut. I responded in a comment and gave them the code, using the asterisk method. A few days later, another person on my flist posted with the same question. When I clicked to comment, I saw Person A had already responded with the answer, and used the same method I had used in my comment--the asterisk.

If I had not used the asterisk, would Person A have known how to make the code show up in an LJ comment for Person B? Probably not.

I've seen other threads where people post empty comments in an attempt to share LJ code, not realizing it won't show up. They do struggle with it.

It is my experience that people who do not know how to make LJ cuts are generally not the kind of people who know about things like "<" or any other kind of HTML, and I think it's expecting too much of them to get into the realm of codes for symbols.

While I agree it would make things look more nicer, my greater goal is to provide information in a way that makes it accessible to people who know nothing about HTML and are apparently incapable of reading the FAQ, or using Google. *g*

I want them to be able to pass it on, and showing them the asterisk method gives them that ability, and is easy to remember.

Thank you for taking the time to comment. I always appreciate input, and it's nice to know someone's reading the stuff in the community!

Posted by: Luso Clemens (colichemarde)
Posted at: November 18th, 2006 12:00 am (UTC)

I see your point! It does make much sense, and I'm sorry I did not know. But thank you for informing me. I won't press it on you or anything.

Posted by: Masked Boar Rider of the 78th District (ttiot)
Posted at: October 30th, 2007 05:30 pm (UTC)

Question: If we add a community to the list, we don't permission from the mod of that comm, do we?

Posted by: Devil Doll (devildoll)
Posted at: October 30th, 2007 05:34 pm (UTC)

Not unless the mod has some rule about that, but in general people are happy to have their communities pimped anywhere they can.

There are some communities that require membership applications and vouching from other members in order to gain access, due to the nature of their content. I would say such communities should not be listed here.

Posted by: Masked Boar Rider of the 78th District (ttiot)
Posted at: October 30th, 2007 06:03 pm (UTC)

Thank you! ^^

Posted by: Elizabeth Weir (lizabethweir)
Posted at: July 1st, 2008 03:03 pm (UTC)

Question time... is there a format for the overviews? or is it posted how the volunteer wants?

Posted by: Devil Doll (devildoll)
Posted at: July 1st, 2008 03:13 pm (UTC)

There is no set format, except for the subject line, and that they be LJ cut. Overviewers are free to check out what other people did, and use those as a model, if they like.

Posted by: Elizabeth Weir (lizabethweir)
Posted at: July 1st, 2008 03:15 pm (UTC)

Cool, thanks.

Posted by: Emma DeMarais (emmademarais)
Posted at: January 12th, 2009 04:32 am (UTC)

Hi there.

I have a suggestion.

I'm finding the newbie guides to be incredibly frustrating and not useful at all. Here's why. They tell me what the comm's name is and give me an idea of what it's for, but it tells me nothing about the health and livelihood of a community. More times than I can count I've seen something that looks great only to rush off and find the comm dead - the most recent post being like 2006. What happens often is that there are say five or six similar comms and I have to go look at the profile page of *all* of them to figure out which one people *really* use in the fandom. (For example, newsletter comms where there are five that have about 100 members and one that has about 1000. It's clear from the profiles which one the fandom is really using, but not from the guide. So I waste a lot of time trying to figure out what's *really* going on in the fandom.)

My suggestion is to allow newbie guide editors to optionally provide basic data on the status of the comms they list. Here's a very gross suggestion of how it could work.

* = over 100 members
** = over 500 members
*** = over 1000 members
X = no new posts for the last 6 months
XX = no new posts for over a year
DEAD = officially dead (per mod post) but still has content

So if a fandom named ABC had the following comm list...

ABC_newsletter *
AllABC ***
ABC_fic XX
ABCfic **
ABCslash **
Slash_ABC X

It would be easier to get a sense of what comms people might want to check out and which they'd only look at if they chose to go further. I mean, a ficathon that has few people signed up is not a bad thing, so it's not prohibitive. A fic comm with no new entries in 1 year? Yeah, that's worth warning people about.

Please let me now if you will consider this. I'm happy to develop the idea further. (Like you might want to use little graphics instead of Xs and asterisks or something.)


Posted by: Devil Doll (devildoll)
Posted at: June 3rd, 2009 02:53 pm (UTC)

Hi there.

Thanks for the comment. I know it can be frustrating, and I think your system is well thought out and would probably work, but I'm afraid that instituting something like that would drive down our already miserable success rate with the overviews.

We have a lot of people who are very dedicated, and do their overviews when they say they will, and keep them updated...but we also have a lot of people who flake out completely, or put it up and then never update it again etc etc. It's difficult enough to get what we have, with the few guidelines I do enforce. To make it any more strict would probably drive more overviewers away.

Such is the nature of fandom and of volunteer projects like this one: we're stuck with what people are willing to give us.

Posted by: Emma DeMarais (emmademarais)
Posted at: June 3rd, 2009 06:46 pm (UTC)

Well, you wouldn't have to make it mandatory and like craigslist you could make it community oriented - the overviewer doesn't look all that up - the people using the site contribute that data the same way they report comms that are dead now.

It seems like you need a better system to replace dead weight. Why not allow a small group to take on a fandom rather than one person? As long as they use a group mod account or all contribute data to one person to post it would end the reliance on a single person to do all that labor.

It's easy enough to comment to a post to snare all its content so while it's unfortunate to break the links to a page gone dead the more important issue is to have a live useful page IMHO, so making a new page to replace an abandoned one can be done. Since there's an index on the site to find fandoms it really shouldn't matter as much what the url is - it can be found.

I'm curious as to what your procedure is to replace flaky overviewers. I realize you require people to be volunteers, but it's more a disservice to their fandom to have information so badly outdated. It actually got me wondering if you had an overall volunteer whose job it is to go into the fandoms of dead pages and try to recruit someone new. I mean, Supernatural is a huge fandom so I can't imagine there not being a plethora of people who, if told about the opportunity to raise their BNF status in the fandom, would volunteer to take this one. However with such a huge fandom it definitely makes more sense to have a committee on the job given that it's just too huge an LJ fandom for anyone to keep up.

Just some thoughts... I think these guides can be incredibly useful yet also incredibly misleading when they look like they're valid, but they're not. While I know there's no answer to apathy (sadly) I feel like if you get the fandom communities themselves more engaged in the process (like reporting new data or helping you find new overviewers) everyone wins.

Posted by: ebonyfeather (ebonyfeather)
Posted at: April 5th, 2010 07:44 pm (UTC)

Hi. I'm interested in doing a guide for The Mentalist, if that'd be OK.

Posted by: Devil Doll (devildoll)
Posted at: May 27th, 2010 01:34 pm (UTC)
devil babe

The Mentalist is yours! I've given you posting access, and you have six months to get it posted. Thanks!

25 Read Comments